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Bruja 02-28-2014 11:38 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Fleissner Grilles Berta: 6x6
Unfortunately I have no time now to read about it... so that's all for now

Helanren 02-28-2014 11:43 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
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Correct :nod: (want to have a bonus point Attachment 80690 for it :)?)

linkinpark333 03-01-2014 12:45 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
So since its a 6x6, the table should look like this if rotating:

1 2 3 7 4 1
4 5 6 8 5 2
7 8 9 9 6 3
3 6 9 6 8 7
2 5 8 6 5 4
1 4 7 3 2 1

Writing the message in order by quadrants makes:

E T R E O F
A Y L O H R
N N T U Q L
T E E E I T
N S T E O N
O M O S U W

Since the names are identified, I wonder what those numbers are for: 466 322 364

4+6+6+3+2+2+3+6+4=36 Perhaps the numbers have to be applied to the grid.

Helanren 03-01-2014 01:09 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by linkinpark333 (Post 1472250)
So since its a 6x6, the table should look like this if rotating: ....
Hmmm, yes and no. That's one way of representing a Fleißner grille, but it's not really relevant here, at least not for solving (that representation is of more use when creating a new one ;))


Quote:
Originally Posted by linkinpark333 (Post 1472250)
Writing the message in order by quadrants makes: ....
Could be, I'd have to check :lol:

Quote:
Originally Posted by linkinpark333 (Post 1472250)

4+6+6+3+2+2+3+6+4=36 Perhaps the numbers have to be applied to the grid.
The sum is irrelevant, but keep that thought :nod:

linkinpark333 03-01-2014 02:58 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
I found a online tool

But inputting the text exactly doesn't seem to help

See my edits in this post :eek:

Helanren 03-01-2014 03:31 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
That tool seems to be missing something though :)? Or maybe it uses a simplified grille :thinking:

linkinpark333 03-01-2014 12:06 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Guess I'll have to shift it myself.

9x4=36 don't think it's a coincidence ;)

Is there an extra step?

Helanren 03-01-2014 12:20 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by linkinpark333 (Post 1472316)
9x4=36 don't think it's a coincidence ;)
I checked a few other possibilities, and they didn't sum up to 36, so I think it is ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by linkinpark333 (Post 1472316)

Is there an extra step?
Not really, except that you have to think of how to make the grille 'work'

linkinpark333 03-01-2014 12:26 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Hmm.. Does 466322364 refer to the rotating grid? So would the first 9 letters be:

A F E W S O I S E

Or perhaps I have to rotate first a full 360

Is one of the words Queen?

Helanren 03-01-2014 12:38 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
466322364 does have a relation with the grille, but it doesn't define (not directly anyway) the lettersequence; the coded text you work with is simply what Bruja mentioned (as her romantic ideal ;))

linkinpark333 03-01-2014 12:55 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
So... The ww1 men and names were just a hint to a 6x6 grille? No turning involved :doubt:

Those numbers seem like the key :confused3

Helanren 03-01-2014 01:53 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by linkinpark333 (Post 1472322)
So... The ww1 men and names were just a hint to a 6x6 grille? No turning involved :doubt:
Well, turning is involved of course, because that's how it works (and yes, the men and names hinted to what "it" was ;)). But you always need some more info to use a Fleißner grille for en/decoding.

Quote:
Originally Posted by linkinpark333 (Post 1472322)

Those numbers seem like the key :confused3
:nodder:

linkinpark333 03-01-2014 11:14 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
I found this site (was going to use it for a crypto of mines :rotfl: )
Les grilles tournantes du colonel Fleissner *Which I found you already used and Bolaf already did Mathias Sandorf

My grille isn't working :confused3

Splitting the numbers into quadrants, there seems to be a problem

46 63 22 364 the 2 can't be used twice in one quadrant.
So it could be 46 632 2364 or 46 6 32 2364 etc.

Bruja 03-02-2014 02:02 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
And, anyway, it wouldn't work... You have to choose different numbers from 1 to 9 on each quadrant. If you take -for instance- 628 for quadrant 1 and then 25 for quadrant 2, one letter will be read more than once and another letter won't appear at all in the final sentence...
So we must do something different with those numbers... Still thinking....

Helanren 03-02-2014 05:27 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Weird, I'm pretty sure I answered link yesterday already
(in response to his 'first' grid, which I didn't understand ;)):

Quote:
Originally Posted by linkinpark333 (Post 1472355)
....
My grille isn't working :confused3

X X X O X X
X X X O X X
X X X O X X
O X O X O X
X O X X X X
X O X X X O.
But anyway, Bruja is correct, that was not the way to use the numbers. And, as link suggests in his edit, that would have been a 'multi-interpretable' key...

linkinpark333 03-02-2014 09:59 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
I saw that too bruja while researching. I tried using phonespell (making words from the phone)

You said those numbers had something to do with the men? (if I remember correctly)
So ww1?

Helanren 03-02-2014 10:46 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Nope, WWI and Germans were an extra clue to get from Anna, Berta etc to Fleißner grilles, specifically a 6x6 one (which happens to be the size on that site you found :whistling). Use the numbers as the "key" for the grille (in a very simple way actually ;))

linkinpark333 03-02-2014 10:59 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
466322364 seems like I need to decode it. Not A=1, hex, ascii etc.

DFFCBBCFD

Helanren 03-02-2014 11:33 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Nope, no decoding of the numbers is necessary :no:

linkinpark333 03-02-2014 11:52 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
I over complicated it ;)

XXXOXO
XXXXXO
XXOXXX
XOXXXX
XOOXXO
XXXOXX

ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT MEET YOU SOON

Helanren 03-03-2014 12:03 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
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So you did :tongue:

Spoiler:


though I actually searched quite a while for a grille with an unabiguous series of 'open spaces'; and just before posting the one I had made up I noticed it had one line with no openings at all (but that you couldn't know that from just the numbers), so I had to find another and redo it.

Attachment 80722

The numbers on the helmets btw are 'real', in a sense; if you look at pictures from the time you often see those. I guess they denote their regiment, or something like that.

Attachment 80724


over to link :jossun:

linkinpark333 03-03-2014 01:02 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
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Not A Tedious One ;)

Attachment 80725

Bruja 03-04-2014 12:03 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Well, your sentence reads NATO (maybe a reference to the NATO alphabet ?) and the image shows Oscar... and that's all for now :frown:

Helanren 03-04-2014 03:48 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Oscar apparently is Oscar the Grouch; hadn't even noticed NATO ;)

Oscar -> Acadamy Awards (""todayscryptomania")?
Maybe number combinations are nth award ceremony-letter in name (of best film?)

Bruja 03-04-2014 04:48 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
:sweat: And my own personal bonus point goes to... Hel!!!!
You wouldn't believe the things I tried (trying to find films with three or one or five oscars that year, for instance... and that wasn't the worst idea I had...:rolleyes:)

Helanren 03-04-2014 05:55 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Haha, the first 4 letters in that case would be "andt", suggesting "and the winner is.....", but I have no time now to finish it :)

linkinpark333 04-25-2014 12:41 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Over a month now, needs a HUGE shove. (Im sure Hel can finish his work)

Helanren 04-25-2014 02:01 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Let me see, what did I do again :biggrin:?

"And the Oscar goes to" ;)

linkinpark333 04-27-2014 09:39 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Agh sorry Hel. Didn't notice that you completed it. lol.

OK Hel, when you get to, please post another one. :)

Helanren 05-11-2014 09:42 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
I have sort of an idea in mind, but cannot get it worked out ;).

So, in the mean time, if anybody else has an idea, be my guest!

linkinpark333 11-05-2014 02:37 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Well I'll try to revive this thread ;)

D6 B6 B5 E6 A6 F6 A5


Bolaf 11-05-2014 02:42 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Related to chess?

linkinpark333 11-05-2014 04:24 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Nope

Bolaf 11-06-2014 05:07 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
A 7-letter word?

[edit]
Coordinates on a map (e.g. Legend Of Zelda)?
Spoiler:
D6 - Fairy Island
B6 - Five-Eye Reef
B5 - Islet of Steel
E6 - Ice Ring Isle
A6 - Diamond Steppe Island
F6 - Forest Haven
A5 - Needle Rock Isle

linkinpark333 11-06-2014 11:37 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
7 letter word :nod:

No legend of Zelda here, but nice idea.

vivi 11-07-2014 09:40 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
music notation?

linkinpark333 11-07-2014 08:49 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Yes. That's the first step.

But where from music?

Bolaf 11-07-2014 09:00 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Funny. Was trying to use the frequencies yesterday...
Spoiler:
D6 - 1174.6595
B6 - 1975.5338
B5 - 987.7669
E6 - 1318.5105
A6 - 1760.0001
F6 - 1396.9136
A5 - 880.0003

... but didn't come very far.

linkinpark333 11-07-2014 09:02 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
It's not their frequencies, but you are using the right instrument ;)

Remember: This is a multi-step one. I'll confirm if you complete a step.

vivi 11-07-2014 11:08 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
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the semitone numbers would be
74, 83, 71, 76, 81, 69

or

linkinpark333 11-07-2014 11:47 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Not semitonal. However, both of you are close.

Numbers are needed for the first step :nod:


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