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Bruja 11-28-2012 12:54 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Glad to see you thought the same... :tongue: I've already spent some time trying amadeus - mozart - and wolfgangamadeusmozart as the key, but.... nothing :no:

And I even tried "lovegod" as the key :sweat:

... it seems those first approaches weren't right, and I think "Let's browse characters..." might be another hint, but my two neurons aren't cooperating.

[edit] I forgot: tried keyed caesar and vigenere, although I already knew Bolaf wasn't going to use such simple / beginners' ciphers, especially after having mentioned them some posts ago...

[second edit] Tried the most simple method: a substitution cipher as the ones you can find in this other thread

counting the most repeated letters I substituted L-E
ns otlrlstypfcme tlnsr fn amgfc iehtlo
ns otErEstypfcme tEnsr fn amgfc iehtEo

tried also E-L (thought it seemed too simple, but...)
ns otErEstypfcmL tEnsr fn amfgc iLhtEo

Crazy idea, could the last letter, after a vowel (e) be a plural?
let's change O-S and S-O
nO StEreOtypfcmL tEnOr fn amfgc iLhtES

I can't see the method yet, and it seems N and T would remain the same, but I think I can read "stereotypical" as the second word... still working on it.

Helanren 11-28-2012 02:15 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruja (Post 1422408)
nO StEreOtypfcmL tEnOr fn amfgc iLhtES

I can't see the method yet, and it seems N and T would remain the same, but I think I can read "stereotypical" as the second word... still working on it.
Good possibilities, but if you're right, you can also fill in the other letters of stereotypical ;)

nO STEREOTypICAL TEnOr In MAfgC FLhTE

which suggests 'no stereotypical tenor in Magic Flute' , except for the fg's :thinking:?

Ah, typo there: amfgc was amgfc, which does work out to 'magic' ;)

So the answer might be Benedikt Schack?

Oh, just saw I didn't copy/paste the S at the end....
'no stereotypical tenor in Magic Flutes' . Makes my answer less likely...

Bolaf 11-28-2012 02:57 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Benedikt Schack is very close, because we do look for a name.
You already found The Magic Flute, and I can only repeat my initial hint: let's browse characters... ;)

Helanren 11-28-2012 03:08 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
"no stereo" = Mono, type ~ status :doubt:, Monostatos :)?

Bolaf 11-28-2012 03:15 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
:cheer: Yesss!
Spoiler:
Since Mozart often used quite juicy (fescennine!) expressions in his humorous letters to his family and friends, he introduced a simple substitution cipher to avoid trouble in case a letter would be read by an outsider. His basic idea was to replace vowels by specific consonants - and vice versa: M<->A L<->E F<->I S<->O H<->U (involved people could easily memorise this system as MALEFISOHU).
Thus, the secret message decodes to "No stereotypical tenor in magic flutes", describing the character Monostatos, tenor in Mozart's opera The Magic Flute.

:bow: Pretty amazing stochastic approach by Bruja!
Not only was the ciphertext extremely short (which usually makes it almost impossible to apply statistical methods), but also Google/Wikipedia aren't much of a help here - Mozart's MALEFISOHU cipher is mentioned on a handful German/Austrian sites only.

Over to Hel :jossun:

Helanren 11-28-2012 04:42 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
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That's an interesting story ;). I think I have read about Mozart using code at some point before, but it's true you can't find the term 'MALEFISOHU' anywhere on the web except for German language sites*.
Spoiler:
Found some other funny code stories though ;)


It's even more true that all the credit for this should go to Bruja, I just picked up where she left off :bow:.

And since all things come in threes: the final piece of truth is that I have no idea yet how to make up one of these puzzles on my own, so I'll have to search around for inspiration :blush:. In the mean time, until I figured something out, what I can offer is a classic 'match stick puzzle':

Use the match sticks in this cross to make a square, by touching one of the sticks only.

Spoiler:


[edit] * correction: in hindsight, googling "Mozart's cipher" (now why didn't I think of that :biggrin:) does give one link, including the solution!

Bolaf 11-28-2012 07:51 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
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Matchsticks... Have you spent your youth in pubs, Hel?

Spoiler:
I did. :lol:

Idea #1 (touching 1, moving 2)

Idea #2 (touching none)

Idea #3 (touching none)

Idea #4 (touching/moving 1)

Idea #5 (touching/moving 1)

Idea #6 (touching/moving 1)

Idea #7 (touching/moving 1)

And now I'm looking forward to your Hel of a crypto... ;)

Helanren 11-28-2012 08:56 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Hahaha, by the looks of it you spent at least 7 times as long there as I did :bow:

Spoiler:
I suppose I should have been more careful in defining the problem though.... no extra items (2, 3), "moving" in stead of "touching" (1), no breaking up (7). I never thought of 4 and 5, but of course in Dutch the geometrical square (vierkant) differs from the mathematical one (kwadraat).

Which leaves #6 :arms:.

That one actually works very nicely with 'real' match sticks, as you can nonchantly put them down on the table while explaining you form a cross, and nobody notices that you actually place them very carefully. The drawing may have made it more obvious, but I still applaud your 7-fold ingenuity ;)

Bruja 11-28-2012 11:35 AM
Re: Cryptomania
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helanren (Post 1422436)
...googling "Mozart's cipher" (now why didn't I think of that :biggrin:) does give one link, including the solution!
Well, that was the first thing I tried :tongue: but couldn't find anything. Now I've opened your link, but I can't find the site with the explanation / solution... Which one is the right link?

Anyway, great job you did! I would have never thought of "no stereotypical" = "mono-status", I guess I would have googled for "atypical tenors". Fortunately I didn't have time to finish decoding and start googling, so I didn't waste my time.

Helanren 11-28-2012 12:00 PM
Re: Cryptomania
 
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Originally Posted by Bruja (Post 1422444)
Well, that was the first thing I tried :tongue: but couldn't find anything. Now I've opened your link, but I can't find the site with the explanation / solution... Which one is the right link?
It's a bit indirect,but it's the 5th result, right on the first page ;)

Spoiler:
Attachment 67749

It's described in a footnote on page xviii of the Introduction:

Another textual peculiarity, which characterises almost
the whole correspondence, requires some explanation.
After the accession of Hieronymus Colloredo to the Arch
bishopric of Salzburg in March 1772 (and indeed inter
mittently during the reign of his predecessor) the Mozart
family made occasional use of a simple substitution
cypher (certain letters of the alphabet being replaced by
others) in order to be able to express their opinions freely. 1
They adopted this device because they had good reason
for believing that before their letters were delivered, the
Salzburg post office sent them to the Archbishop's resid-
ence for inspection.

1 Facsimile no. 5 affords an example of this cypher, of which the key is:
for the letters m, 1, o, f, h, a, e, s, i, u substitute the letters a, e, s, i, u, m, 1, o, f, h. In most cases Nissen has written the solution above the encyphered passage.


Well, that was hard...... but I finally got an idea:

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u.../cryptom01.jpg


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