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Helanren 05-16-2013 03:51 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
Spoiler:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruja (Post 1440231)
I made the tables in word, copied them in excel to improve the format

Forget to mention another tip I thought of when I read that: I sometimes use different fonts to make things look better, e.g. Courier New will give you equal spacing for all characters ;)


Well, it's going to be hard to come up with something new and top that off :cheesy:! Let's think.....

Bruja 05-16-2013 04:13 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
Well, my first try was pencil+paper, and crossed the letters out according to the grid... so word+excel+paint was really an improvement :lol: (translated into plain English: I didn't think of courier new :tongue:)

Helanren 05-19-2013 04:09 AM

Re: Cryptomania
 
Finally thought of something different.....;):


10-10-14-14-#15-#15-14-13-13-#12-#12-11-11-10-14-14-13-13-#12-#12-11-14-14-13-13-#12-#12-11-10-10-14-14-#15-#15-14-13-13-#12-#12-11-11-10

53-92-02-34-75-17-51-80-09-44-66-50-82-50-73-24-95-42-18-88-40-76-21

Bolaf 05-19-2013 11:43 AM

Re: Cryptomania
 
Mozart

[EDIT]
Spoiler:
line 1:
notes of the song 'Twinkle twinkle little star'

line 2:
letter pos in lyrics, gives 'hewrotetwelvevaraateons'
(read as 'who wrote twelve variations')

Helanren 05-19-2013 03:48 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
And we have a winner :arms:

Spoiler:
- you must have found a different set of lyrics than I did ;)
Spoiler:
00 twink letwi
10 nklel ittle
20 starh owiwo
30 nderw hatyo
40 uareu pabov
50 ethew orlds
60 ohigh likea
70 diamo ndint
80 hesky twink
90 letwi nklel
100 ittle starh
110 owiwo nderw
120 hatyo uare


53-92-02-34-75-17-51-80-09-44-66-50-82-50-73-24-95-42-18-88-40-76-21


- did you actually have do anything with the first set of numbers, or did you just recognise the pattern right away :)?
Spoiler:
in that case, I could have saved myself the trouble of transposing it to get rid of the G :biggrin:

I actually wondered about the 'too easy' pattern, but I didn't want to make it too hard musically either. And I thought the # could also serve as an "internal" clue, so transposing made sense anyway.

Bolaf 05-19-2013 04:38 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
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Spoiler:
... different set of lyrics ...
:lol: Apparently.
Considered the phrase being spelled by a 18th century French, so I didn't mind the strange articulation anyway.

... first set of numbers ...
Yes, the # was a severe indicator for me to activate my vocal chords. Forthwith I chanted the notes cheerfully whilst clapping my hands and stomping my feet - and suddenly my heart burst open like being pecked by a unicorn and out came a gorgeous little rainbow... but I digress.



V A U N D D L R H E L I
A I U U T D A N W T N R
M I T G O H E U U O N O
P I E I C B I L G N P H
I E T H U N G B T N W L
R F F R T R E W E I O E
E E Y O E N Y E N O B F
S C S A I E S D R I L U

Bruja 05-20-2013 09:33 AM

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Third Episode: The Red Codebook.
Gučrande decodes the Vampire gangs messages with a red codebook taken from the body of the Grand Inquisitor.

Now we only have to find that codebook and use it to decode the message :tongue:

Found an image of the codebook:
Spoiler:

What letters is he crossing out and why? The episode is 40 minutes long... Maybe the key is there

...Or maybe we don't need to watch more than a few seconds :tongue:

Helanren 05-20-2013 03:11 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
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Nice find :bow:



So far, Bolaf's code is still nonsense, so I supppose a second decryption is needed ;)

Bruja 05-20-2013 04:49 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
Well, following the same procedure (top left corner, top right corner, bottom left and bottom right, once and again) I got this:

Visual clues in hard riddles are fine, but you won't need any more info to figure out where Philipe went: Night clubbing

(Obviously, the punctuation marks are mine)

Helanren 05-20-2013 05:08 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
:lol: I got this:

"viefalebueyonhondreedlny....."

- but I didn't copy the bottom line :lol:!

Bruja 05-20-2013 05:26 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
:rotfl: No wonder you thought we had to decrypt that!

Bolaf 05-20-2013 05:27 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
:nod: This is pretty much solved; yet the final task remains... to figure out where Philipe went nightclubbing ;)

Bruja 05-20-2013 05:46 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
The only club I found while reading about the series and episodes was "The Howling Cat"... I guess he went there, didn't he?

from wiki: " Following clues in the booklet he arrives at "The Howling Cat" night club"

Bolaf 05-20-2013 05:54 PM

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The howling cat it is...

Attachment 72517

Bruja 05-20-2013 06:12 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
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Attachment 72518
I'd like to know how that sounds in English (or German, for that matter), but it's really hilarious in Spanish!

Pencil + paper, as always... let's see how many mistakes you find when you solve it :rolleyes:
I haven't had time to think about a dark and encrypted clue... so feel free to ask and I'll try not to give it away with the first hint :tongue:

17-11 / 25-4+1 / 20-10+9 / 17-1 / 12-2+10 / 26-11+9 / 11-1+5 / 19-9+4 / 7-9 / 26+9-10 / 20-10+8 / 18-12+11 / 20-19+13 / 11-1+9

[edit] At last I thought of a clue:
Spoiler:

Bolaf 05-21-2013 02:56 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
... clue ...
... points to symbol fakery (and to the statement that maths wasn't your #1 school subject)...
I guess this isn't about calculation then. Still trying to interpret those terms in different ways...

Helanren 05-21-2013 03:10 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
Are they dates? Nov. 17 - Apr. 24/Apr. 25/Apr. 24 and 25/May 25 - etc.?

[edit] Ooops, no, the one before last puts an end to that (unless Spain just introduced the 19-month year, as part of the austerity measures?)

Stroke count :thinking:?

Bruja 05-21-2013 07:22 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
"I hate maths" is the main clue :nodder: (no maths involved here)
symbol fakery... well, had I found real symbols to make that cryptogram I would have used them, but I had to draw my own. Fortunately I didn't have to make up anything this time.
Stroke count... mmm.... getting warm, I'd say

...and no, we didn't introduce a 19-month year... yet, but please don't give any ideas to Spanish politicians :rolleyes:

Helanren 05-21-2013 08:16 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
26 is the highest number -> alphabet :thinking:?

17-11 = Q-K = 2-3 = -1 :doubt:?
25-4 = Y-D = 3-2, + 1 = 2
20-10= T-J = 2-2, +9 =9
17-1 = Q-A = 2-3 = -1 :doubt:?
.....

doesn't seem to work that way :thinking:

Bruja 05-21-2013 08:46 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Helanren (Post 1440967)
26 is the highest number -> alphabet ?

Attachment 72556

But remember... no maths involved here

[edit] ahhh! Now I see what you intended to do. That's the idea!!!

Helanren 05-21-2013 08:59 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruja (Post 1440972)

[edit] ahhh! Now I see what you intended to do. That's the idea!!!

use undercast instead maybe :thinking:?

17-11 = q-k = 2-3 = -1 ?
25-4 = y-d = 2-2, + 1 = 1
20-10= t-j = 2-1, +9 = 10
17-1 = q-a = 2-2 = 0 ?

still stuck with negatives... :doubt:, needs rethinking...

Bruja 05-21-2013 09:19 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
Let me put you in the right track:

10+11 = j+k = q

Obvious, isn't it? :tongue:

Bolaf 05-22-2013 01:42 AM

Re: Cryptomania
 
If j+k=q then you must have used all (2) neurons...

Bruja 05-22-2013 10:29 AM

Re: Cryptomania
 
:tongue:

Did "j+k" spoil everything? Or did you already know what to do?
I guess Hel has already solved it, but in case he hasn't had time and wants to try by himself I think we should wait for him before explaining the "complex, difficult, hard and elaborate" method of hiding the message.

Your turn to surprise us again, Bolaf :jossun:

Bolaf 05-22-2013 06:09 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
Funny. I copied your terms and looked at them offline. A long while I was focussing on the +/- signs, presuming (due to the 'hate math' motto) they'd mean something different from adding/subtracting, whereas the numbers [1...26] were obviously mapping the alphabet; but still, I couldn't make sense of it. At some point I mumbled to myself: "Heck, there must be a pattern! Am I blind?"
And in that very moment the word 'blind' made me see another possibility...
- numbers -> letters -> braille
- apply addition/subtraction to the visual dots
- get resulting braille: i use two neurons

Back to the mental workbench...

Helanren 05-23-2013 03:02 AM

Re: Cryptomania
 
Nice one.... not that I had solved it... :lol:

Spoiler:
but now that I have (i.e. followed Bolaf....):

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruja (Post 1440850)

Pencil + paper, as always... let's see how many mistakes you find when you solve it :rolleyes:

How about - NOPE, FORGET IT :lol:

(I did the 'math', found a J instead of I for the first letter and had a laugh :): "J use two neurons".)

But when I continued I found the solution wasn't
- get resulting braille: i use two neurons
but "JUST TWO NEURONS"

:biggrin: no mistakes at all :biggrin:

Bruja 05-23-2013 08:54 AM

Re: Cryptomania
 
Glad to hear that, I thought I had messed up the I/J and Bolaf had consequently modified the E/T (And as I used pencil+rubber I couldn't check my work again)

Bolaf 05-23-2013 11:10 AM

Re: Cryptomania
 
Spoiler:
Oops. Thanks for clarification, Hel. Yep, it's true, I was too hasty (literally translating blindly), misread the J (for an I) and rudely modified the T... :devil:


Ok, the next one might look a little enigmatic, but I assure that you don't need more than just one neuron for the math part - and I hope you'll have fun investigating the bronze object (this was a hint)...

----> 52.4075 16.9192 <----

+-------------------------+
|-9-6 8-3 1-1 8 6 9 8 1-6 |
| 1-9 8-3-5 3 1 4 4-1-5 3 |
|-5 6 4 8 9 5 0 1-7 8-5 8 |
| 8 7-4-4-4 0 4-9 4 8-3 1 |
|-7-3 5-8-9-3 3 2-4 5 4-4 |
| 1 1 8 9 3-7 9 9-2-7-4-1 |
|-9 3 0 4 5-5 6 9 0 7 5-1 |
|-3-9 6 2-9 9-4 8 5 9-8 4 |
| 1 0-3-6 4 3-6-9 1 5-6 9 |

Bruja 05-23-2013 12:44 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
I googled the numbers on top and googlemaps led me to Adam Mickiewicz University in Poznań:
Among the University's most famous graduates are the mathematicians who broke the Enigma machine
Now I hope I'm totally wrong and this is not related to the Enigma, I've read a lot about it in the past... and never understood how it worked!!!

[edit] and I've just discovered The bombe was known as the "Bronze Goddess" because of its colour...

Please, tell me I'm barking up the wrong tree :frown:

Bolaf 05-23-2013 01:04 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
... Adam Mickiewicz University ...
... the right crossing, but the wrong side of the street ;)
Zoom in as far as you can... and don't bang your nose against it...

... mathematicians who broke the Enigma machine ...
Yes, and their names are (indirectly) involved...

... Enigma machine ...
... The bombe ...
:no: Naaah, I'm not that mean.
Like I said, the math part is easy-peasy.

Bruja 05-23-2013 02:55 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
google maps is not cooperating... I followed wiki directions and moved my mannequin down the street, then I reached what I think is the University (although the name was written where I was first, and the building was also drawn in the map in my former location, but in this new place I can see the building that matches the University pictures... I'm confused)

Crossed the street but saw nothing interesting. In the middle of the boulevard (direct Spanish translation, it may not be the right term) I saw Adam's statue and a monumet (victims, again according to wiki)...

I'm really shortsighted and my stilettos are killing me, I think I'll leave the walking to Hel :cheesy:

Bolaf 05-23-2013 03:06 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
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... google maps is not cooperating ...
Strange. Maybe that's browser-dependent.

... shortsighted ... leave the walking to Hel ...
When I open google maps at those coordinates, switch to satellite view and zoom in a little I get this:
Spoiler:

See the green arrow in the center? See where it points at?

Another hint: our bronze object has...
Spoiler:

... sides :)

Bruja 05-23-2013 05:55 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
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I broke one of my shoes' heels, but I managed to climb that fence... and found this:
Attachment 72618
Now we need to:
1 - Find a better image,
2 - Guess which side/s we must use, and
3 - Find out what to do with it

Well.... now it'll be pretty straighforward :tongue:

Bolaf 05-23-2013 07:20 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
1 - :nod:
2 - only the upper half?
3 - try simplest math possible :207:

Bruja 05-23-2013 07:41 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
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The upper half of Marian Rejewski, I presume... (as that would be the side we'd be looking at if we actually climbed that fence coming from the other side of the street)
But if we were there we could see that the three sides have different numbers:

Bolaf 05-23-2013 09:16 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
... Rejewski ...
I wouldn't prefer one to the others.

... sides have different numbers ...
Yes, amazing, isn't it? They must have reckoned someone would really walk around this lump and check that out. Clever Poles.

Bruja 05-23-2013 09:39 PM

Re: Cryptomania
 
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I've found a better pic of zygalski's side...
Spoiler:

but the simplest maths are not working... or I can't read the right numbers yet.

[edit] In my computer screen the image was much neater... :frown:
[second edit] Zygalski's numbers:
Spoiler:

652178104637
147902089421
292049271046
450830341763
237934950004
250876856818
697230830080
032934047044
707209206914

I'll be back with the other sides, when I can read them Attachment 72627

Helanren 05-24-2013 01:32 AM

Re: Cryptomania
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolaf (Post 1441208)
When I open google maps at those coordinates, switch to satellite view and zoom in a little I get this:

:lol: I was going to ask if SKANSKA played a role:

Spoiler:
Attachment 72640

"Street view" pics were obviously made at a different time than "satellite view" ;)


OK, let's see where you all got to in the mean time....

[edit] In my search for the full text, google keeps sending me here....

and then asks for money :lol:

[edit2] Best I can make up for the Marian Rejewski side is

Spoiler:
356807140475
274156391890
032934470148
750830341463
037934950204
850876856218
097230830680
454161429209
907209206714
461608190524
643MARIAN279
15REJEWSKI30
031302198084
750803341613
037935404094
850876856218
465142929200
087236038618
454001429209
092049271246
465142929020


But I have a feeling we are making things too complicated perhaps....?

Bolaf 05-24-2013 02:20 AM

Re: Cryptomania
 
... the full text ... asks for money ...
Hehe... 33.00 EUR minimum... for some probably silly blah about a handful of decimal digits :rolleyes: Hey, we should monetize this thread :tongue:

... making things too complicated ...
Well, I used only the top 9 lines (didn't want to write a novel) of the monument. Those should be nicely readable on most photos.

Helanren 05-24-2013 02:57 AM

Re: Cryptomania
 
So you have no need for my full size Zygalski then :banghead:?

Spoiler:

652178104637
147902089421
292049271046
450830341763
237934950004
250876856818
697230830080
032934047044
707209206914
061507190827
293HENRYK576
04ZYGALSKI35
293008197805
630803341715
017935404093
280876856815
205142929406
687236038019
294001429405
132934470048
005142929429


Jerzy Różycki was a bit harder to find ;)

Spoiler:
893104894820
047543170197
750286856814
804920341768
337246950009
294503371024
397600830082
332044047089
007479206912
282407190946
895JERZY2576
51ROZYCKI837

Bruja 05-24-2013 11:14 AM

Re: Cryptomania
 
Hel, I don't know how you found those images, I spent a long time yesterday trying to find the numbers and didn't make it...

Of course, now it was easy, but it was all your work. So... do you want to solve it (in case you already have something)? Or would you prefer me to give the answer (in case you don't have anything)?


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